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Double Tuck vs. Full In and Double Arabian

January 2, 2011

Since the upgrading of the double tuck from C to D, it has become more and more common. It has trickled into the routines of gymnasts who are certainly capable of more difficult tumbling passes. I have wondered if it is the smart way to go, and I have come to the conclusion that it is.

The following is from the WAG help desk.

In the case of replacing full ins with double tucks, I have a few examples.

Full In

Full In

Double Tuck

Viktoria Komova had been competing a full in as her second pass since 2007. But recently, she has been playing it safe with a double tuck. I think it is a smart move, and that she should probably keep the double tuck. As you can see, the landing on her double tuck would be defined as “good position.” The full in is on the line between head at hip level and knee level, but it certainly has at least a .1 deduction in body position alone which evens it out with the difficulty. In this case, she had a tiny .1 shuffle on the double tuck that the judges may have ignored and a hop that would be at least a .3 deduction due to the under-rotation of her full in.

Double Tuck

Double Tuck


Full In

Jiang Yuyuan is another gymnast who is certainly capable of a full in as her second pass. But once again, I don’t think it’s worth it. Her double tuck could possibly get a .1 deduction for head at hip level, depending on how the judges were feeling. The full in is certainly worthy of a .3 head at knee level deduction. The steps on these particular tumbling passes were similar, around .1.

Full In

Double Tuck

Ksenia Semenova switched out her full in for a double tuck in late 2009, and I think it was a good idea. Her double tuck has no body position issues on landing, and her full in has a good .3 deduction. The only issue is that her double tuck might have gotten a .3 deduction for not being tucked enough. Still, when you add in form and height deductions, the double tuck is better. I won’t even discuss her double layout.

Double Tuck

Double Arabian

I actually don’t think Raisman’s double arabian is bad, but I can’t think of many girls who have replaced there double arabians with double tucks so she is still a good example. Her pass of 1 1/2 twist through to double arabian-stag jump is worth .2 more than it would be if the double arabian was replaced with a double tuck. With the double arabian, the big place to take deductions is cowboying. Raisman’s double tuck has no cowboying deduction, but her double arabian has a .3 deduction. Add this to the blind landing of the double arabian (although she is a bad example because she usually incurs no landing deductions), and the double arabian will technically lead to a lower score.

Am I saying that everybody who performs a double arabian, full in or even double layout should replace it with a double tuck? No, not really. Each gymnast really should have at least one E rated tumbling pass in order to get a good score. But should Komova add her full in this year? No, I don’t think so. Losing one tenth in difficulty really shouldn’t matter all that much if the judges take all of the execution deductions that they should. It makes perfect sense that coaches have been taking advantage of this. Another option to level out the difficulty is doing the double tuck in combination, making it D+.1.


5 Comments leave one →
  1. Jasmine permalink
    January 2, 2011 9:23 PM

    You have a good point. But the problem arises when we come across boxed scores in execution. Even if a gymnast has perfect landings, she may still get a similar execution score to someone who doesn’t. For example, look at the recent world FX finals. Poor Vanessa Ferrari had almost perfect landings, and her execution was not nearly where it should be.

    • January 2, 2011 9:42 PM

      I agree, which is exactly why I said “Losing one tenth in difficulty really shouldn’t matter all that much if the judges take all of the execution deductions that they should.”
      The judges need to differentiate between routines with good and bad execution, including landings and everything else. There is no way that Ferrari should have scored only .134 more than Mustafina in execution. For whatever reason, the judges pretty much kept execution scores for hit floor routines at worlds this year between 8.7 and 9.1, which really isn’t right. If you take the execution scores from this year’s floor finals, the difference between the second highest and second lowest execution scores is only .133. How does that even happen? It just isn’t right. When you do the same with 2009 worlds, the difference is .25. However, the judges did take a lot more deductions in 2009; the highest execution score was lower than the second lowest in 2010.
      I really want to try judging floor finals from this year when I get a chance. The scores were so screwed up.

  2. Ashlyn permalink
    January 20, 2011 10:04 PM

    Great post! The double tuck is sort of boring to me, but I’d rather see a clean double tuck than a sloppy full in.

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